Remember, Remember, the Fifth of November...

Saw V for Vendetta today. Excellent movie.

In case you don't know, it's about an anarchist who takes on the guise of Guy Fawkes and battles a dystopian fascist British government with acts of apparent terrorism. I seem to recall Jemima giving it "seven and a half potatoes out of ten." I'm not in the habit of applying numerical values to subjective experiences, but I'd say I'd rate it higher. Of course, I hadn't read the GN beforehand (yeah, there's no exuse for that) so I don't know how that would effect how I consider it.

In any case, the themes of restriction of freedom and terrorism prevalent in the story means there are things to talk about.

I've done a lot of thinking about anarchy lately. It's a pickle. Would I prefer it to an Orwellian government that could have me shot in the streets at the drop of a hat? No question. Would I prefer it to what we have now? That question is a bit tougher.

It has become clear to me that while a person can be trusted, people cannot. whether that means people you meet on the street or people in offices in the city or in our government. And the more power someone has, the less they are to be trusted. Which presents a paradox where government is concerned. In theory, the purpose of government is to protect the rights of the people. But it has been shown that just about every government that has ever existed is capable of infringing upon those rights. And as the money to fund election campaigns inevitably comes from deep pockets, the government naturally is slow to act when corporations infringe upon our rights.

The obvious question is that from the perspective of Natural Law, how can anyone have the right to govern anyone else? The common phrase is government at the consent of the governed, but I look around me and find little governing going on that I consent to.

On the other hand, our society has become dependant on government, and likely would not know how to function without it. And while governments are untrustworthy, they tend to be untrustworthy in a stable way, with some notable exceptions

It all boils down to the freedom versus safety thing.

Of course, the real answer is a form of government that protects the rights of its people and promotes the general welfare and nothing more, but don't hold your breath.

so basically what I'm putting forth is that people suck.

huh... there was an entirely different thing I was going to get into... erm. To Be continued...


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  2. okay, going to try this without typos...
    saw v for vendetta when it came out in theaters and loved it. on a deep level, i liked it for all the thought provoking conversations i had afterwards.

    on a superficial level, i wanted v's lair and was really captivated that a guy with such excellent taste would also make her a sandwich...why on earth did she want to leave?????? he can kick ass and make a sandwich????

  3. I saw V for Vendetta when it came out, and I remember thinking "Damn! We need a psycho like that!", and I kind of understand your idea that people suck. We live in a democracy, for the people by the people and all that, but the political system that exists has lulled the population into a sense of not giving a shit. We have a choice as to which direction our country goes, but you'll be hard pressed to get people to do anything about it.

  4. A saying I heard recently: Democracy means you get the government you deserve.

    True true true.

    People vote for Big Brother and Pop Idol instead of their governors. That tells me all I need to know about 'the people'.

    My main complaints about V all centre around knowing the book really well, the ridiculous level of anticipation I psyched myself into and being English, offended by a dodgy dodgy (and why do the English in Hollywoodland always have to be so damn posh?) accent.

    The questions, the issues are still so pertinent. I'm a amazed it got made, potentially glorifying terrorism, in this time of T.W.A.T.